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| God Gave C2H6O Part 6: Answering Objections |
Part 1: Introductory Comments
Part 2: Sola Scriptura and the SBC
Part 3: What Does Scripture Say?
Part 4: Abstinence in Scripture
Part 5: To Abstain or not to Abstain
In this post, I will answer questions and objections that have been brought up in the comments on this blog, as well as those I have encountered elsewhere. Some of this will be redundant, it may be a bit rambling and unorganized, and it might get long. As I address some of the comments that have been left on this blog, it should not be construed as singling out the commenters as stupid or foolish. The objections I will address are common ones that have been around as long as people have been promoting abstinence. All of them have represented my point of view in the past. For every time I have used the word “ignorant,” I must confess to having been ignorant myself. Ignorance is no cause for shame. An unteachable spirit is. With that stated, I will dive in.
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“Abstinence is easier than moderation.” That was the first objection raised in my comments by Daniel, an eminent Canadian philosopher and theologian (whom you should blame or thank for provoking this series). He raised it here in jest, as we had already discussed it at his blog and in emails. I know he will agree with my answer because he has already told me so, and I am simply copy-and-pasting from my email to him.
Daniel applied the argument of Augustine, who was speaking of sexual abstinence, to alcohol consumption. My answer to him was,
On your statement, “complete abstinence is easier than perfect moderation,” that may be true, depending on the person. My concern, as I’m sure yours is, is not what is easiest, but what is right; and I definitely don’t believe it’s right. First, moderation is no virtue if, in your heart, you are immoderate – and that is the confession of one who says he abstains because it’s easier than moderation. He imagines he is a drunk at heart, and responds, not in repentance and faith, but by taking a supposed “better way”. You see, the drunk’s problem is not alcohol, but his sinful desire. If he abstains, he saves himself and possibly others from the consequences of his drunkenness, but not from his guilt. Wanting to sin, and choosing not to, only appears innocent; but the guilt remains. So the one who abstains because he has no Galatians 5 self-control is no less guilty than the one who drinks with abandon. In fact he may be worse off because he believes he has conquered his sin, when in fact, he has only suppressed it. He may be worse off because he believes he has conquered it by his own will-power. Second, when God has said “Here, take this gift, a token of my love for you, given for your benefit,” I hardly think the right answer is, “No, thanks. It’s easier to pass.”
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Daniel also expressed disgust with “some who set out to champion ‘Christian Drinking’ – not out of a desire for a clear understanding and application of scripture – but because they love the world and the things in the world, and they desire to live in the world without being hassled by ‘the man’.”
When I began this series, my biggest fear was that I would be the recipient of drunken high-fives from the frat-boy types who seem to revel in their “authentic” journey to follow Christ their own way. I want it to be clear that I, along with Daniel, abhor that attitude. If that describes you, I do not speak for you. Christ did not die so that I could continue “just as I am.” He died to free me from my sin – its penalty and its power. That is the true meaning of “Christian Liberty” – freedom to do what is right. If you professes faith in Christ but still willfully live in sin, I cannot consider you a brother in Christ. Your faith is dead. I can only entreat you to repent.
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Another commenter suggested the application of 1Corinthians 6:12, “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.” He asked,
Is it wise or profitable to drink alcohol when it is not a necessity? Within the cultural context of the Scriptures wasn't it wise and profitable to drink alcohol due to the dangers of drinking unsanitary water? Wasn't Timothy practicing abstinence to the point of losing his health and Paul basically had to command him to drink alcohol for its medicinal value (1 Timothy 5:23)?At a time and place in history when there are plenty of nonalcoholic beverages available that are sanitary and profitable, is there wisdom in placing yourself in a position of coming under the power of alchohol which could lead to drunkenness? Due to the warnings of Scripture about the power and danger of alcohol (Prov. 20:1; 21:17; 31:4) isn't it wiser to abstain if possible?”
Yes, according to Scripture, it is wise and profitable to drink alcohol. I think we have looked at enough Scripture to demonstrate that. Scripture never presents it as a necessity, just a good thing, so whether or not it is necessary is irrelevant. As for the “unsanitary water” argument, I just don’t buy it. Wine was not given because there was no clean water. If God, who is sovereign over all and perfect in his providence, chose to supply them with dirty water, he certainly would not have provided a substitute that was simply the lesser of two evils. No, God gave wine, just as he said, to make the heart glad. Furthermore, medical science testifies to the benefits of moderate alcohol consumption.
Whether or not we live “at a time and place in history when there are plenty of nonalcoholic beverages available that are sanitary and profitable” is debatable. I would be interested in knowing what those choices are that are actually healthy. Surely not soda pop, especially diet sodas. Water, milk, and fruit juices have been around since Genesis, along with wine.
Is it wiser, due to Scriptural warnings, to abstain from alcohol? Is it wiser, due to the plethora of Scriptural commendations of alcohol, to enjoy alcohol? Yes. Or no. Take your pick. Whatever you do, do it based on what Scripture teaches, and with a clear conscience; but leave the rest of us (or them, depending on where you settle) alone (Romans 14:3).
The warnings in Scripture all apply to immoderate indulgence – drunkenness. Certainly, abstinence is wiser than drunkenness, but is it better? Maybe, but maybe not. See my answer to Daniel, above.
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Another commenter objected to my use of the word “legalism” to describe the SBC resolution:
You may disagree with their hermeneutic, but they are by no means "legalists" by virtue of the fact that you disagree with them. Legalism is always connected with trying to establish your own righteousness apart from Christ and then applying your righteousness establishing rules to other people. It always has to do with pleasing God apart from faith in His Son. I do not think most intelligent supporters of this resolution can be call legalists. It is not fair, and when the word “legalism” is used so loosely it looses its value as a word to describe anything. […] One more thing that should be considered: An SBC resolution is by no means a law that every SB must obey. It is voted on by the people to represent the denomination's opinion on the matter. It is not imposed upon anyone. SB churches are autonomous. The convention doesn't rule over them; it is designed to serve the churches, not force the churches to serve it.
There are a couple of common uses of the word “legalism.” One is attaching justification (salvation) to obedience to any law, including God's law. The other is imposing man-made laws under the name of righteousness, sanctification, holiness, or “standards.” It is the second definition that I am applying, and it fits.
Whether or not the resolution is binding on churches or individuals is irrelevant when the unmistakable message is that it represents Biblical standards of holiness and those who do not submit to it are less sanctified, less wise, and are failing to live up to some supposed higher standard set by the authors.
Certainly, they are not “‘legalists’ by virtue of the fact that [I] disagree with them.” Nothing is true just because any man says so. Isn’t that a major point of this series? They are legalists because they impose the traditions of men on others. If you still object to the term “legalist”, I’m willing to go with “Pharisee.”
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Although I stated at the beginning that I would not be addressing the “wine back then was Welch’s” argument, one commenter brought it up, and I just want to answer the basis for his suggestion. He said,
Do you realise that the word wine historically can mean either fermented or non-fermented grape juice.eg. Noah Websters Dictionary: "Must, New WINE; wine pressed from the grape but not fermented." (1828 A.D.)
English definitions are useful when exegeting works written in English, but the Bible was not written in English. For a correct interpretation, we must define the original Hebrew or Greek word in its original context. We must determine what it meant to the author, and how it would have been understood by the original audience. What it meant to them is what it means to us.
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Does the use of alcohol have any corrolation on mainline churches and their fondness of liberalism compared to the fundamentalism of the neo-conservative groups?
Liberal churches have little regard for the commandments of God, let alone traditions of men. They do have their own brand of legalism, but it doesn’t cramp their style in the way fundamentalist legalism would. Liberals are saved by being “basically good people” or “doing their best.” The bar is set as low as possible, but it is still salvation by works. That’s the only tangent I’m taking in this post. Now, back to business.
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Are [meat sacrificed to idols and alcohol] really parallel? They both might offend but meat was once prohibited by Law, however, wine/strong drink was not.
Actually, only certain kinds of meat were prohibited to Israel. Meat sacrificed to idols is a different issue, however. Paul said that there was no prohibition on eating meat sacrificed to idols. Really, anything that someone could mistakenly believe is wrong could be a parallel to meat sacrificed to idols.
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Times and cultures change. Alcohol abuse hasn’t always been the problem it is today. Don’t we need to consider the present-day culture and abstain for that reason? Look at all the pain and suffering caused by alcohol today. It hasn’t always been like this.
Are you kidding? Do you imagine that drunkenness and debauchery are modern innovations? Let me introduce you to a fellow named Lot. He got drunk, committed incest with his daughters, and became the father of his grandchildren. That was in Genesis. First century Corinth was Partytown. People were making pigs of themselves and getting drunk at the church pot-luck dinners! There is nothing new going on now.
Besides, who says alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem? To hear the prohibitionists talk, as surely as use leads to abuse, there must be rampant bacchanalia going on everywhere, since more than half of Americans drink alcohol, and most other countries have an even higher percentage of those who drink. However, most people, Christian or not, drink moderately. This is largely the result of growing up. Most people reach adulthood, get jobs, have families, buy homes, and live lives that simply are not compatible with irresponsible behavior. They work hard, manage their money, drive carefully, and stay sober.
So, while there is a drinking problem, it is nothing new, and it is not a problem that most people have, and I’m not the first to say so. Here is another man’s expression of the same opinion. If you want to talk about a problem that really is widespread, read this:
Study: More Americans too fat for X-rays, scans
Obesity hurting accuracy of images, doctors say.
Thursday, July 27, 2006; Posted: 2:12 a.m. EDT (06:12 GMT)WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- More and more obese people are unable to get full medical care because they are either too big to fit into scanners, or their fat is too dense for X-rays or sound waves to penetrate, radiologists reported Tuesday.
With 64 percent of the U.S. population either overweight or obese, the problem is worsening, but it represents a business opportunity for equipment makers and hospitals, said Dr. Raul Uppot, a radiologist at Massachusetts General Hospital.
"We noticed over the past couple of years that obesity was playing a role in our ability to see these images clearly," Uppot said in a telephone interview.
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"It is a major issue because ... the patient may still have a tumor, the patient may have appendicitis, the patient may have other inflammatory processes," Uppot said. Full article at CNN
Most people who drink don’t get drunk, but most people who eat do overeat. With two thirds of the U.S. population overweight or obese, where is the resolution against ice cream?
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I apologize for the long, rambling nature of this post, at least to those of you who stayed with me to the end. I have tried to answer all objections, but if you think I have overlooked something, hit me in the comments. I will either answer you or point you to the post where I already have. Just be sure you have actually read the whole series first, please. This was to be the last part of the series, but I want to do a summary and concluding post. That will be the last, I promise.
5 Comments:
fitzage
I think you confused Noah and lot at one point. As far as I know, Noah didn't commit incest with his daughters.
Otherwise, excellent post.
David
Oops, you're right. Thanks, I fixed it. Noah got drunk and made himself an object of ridicule.
Bob Hayton
David,
First, let me say great series. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Second, I recently did a post on this topic over at my own blog and a couple questions came up in the comments. Is it a sin to have a slight buzz?, and What is the line between a permissible buzz and Biblically forbidden drunkenness? My answer was that God praises the intoxicating effects of wine (wine gladdens the heart and cheers God and man, etc.) and so our experiencing a buzz is fine. But too much buzz is dangerously close to drunkenness, and so we must not purposely try to get drunk. And if it happens inadvertantly we should learn and change so as not to let it happen again.
I am curious as to your thoughts on that question.
And one more thing, another question came today that basically questioned my assumption that "cheering man" and "gladdening the heart" refer to alcohol's effect. The questioner mentioned that lemonade cheers him. What would you say in response to that?
Thanks in advance for looking at these questions pertinent to the current discussion!
God bless.
David
Bob,
I would not agree that a glad heart and a buzz are the same thing. A relaxed state is one thing, and a state of mental impairment is another. If you have drunk to the point of being mentally dull and having impaired judgment, you're getting drunk, even if you're not staggering and slurring your speach.
Regarding being cheered by lemonade, well, God made lemons, too. It's completely reasonable that lemonade should cheer a believer. However, the effects of sugar are not the same as alcohol, so it's not quite the same thing.
Your assumption that a gladdened heart is due to the effect of alcohol is correct, but let's not go past glad to stupid, from liberty to licentiousness.
Don Fields
I have greatly enjoyed this series! I appreciate your thoughtful, pointed, biblical, and kind responses. Thank you for answering one of my questions specifically! I greatly appreciate all of the time you have put into this study and it has been very helpful to me. I now plan on being a regular visitor to this blog. I appreciate the depth of thought and the pleasant spirit in the response to questions.
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