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2007·05·29 · 21 Comments
Book Give-away I

joelgrimley.jpgDon't be alarmed. It's just a picture. The actual book I'm giving away is much better. Well, the cover art is not as good, but the content will be much more satisfying. Here is how this will work this time. You email me by clicking here. Say whatever you want in the email, like maybe how brilliant, handsome, and charming I am, or make suggestions and offer constructive criticism, or say nothing at all if you prefer. Just include your name and make sure the subject line says "Book Give-away I," and you'll be entered in a drawing which will take place the first week in July. I am opening this first give-away to all who wish to enter. In the future, I may limit it to residents of the U.S. if shipping costs get out of hand.

And now, the book. I will be sending the lucky winner a book that I have recently finished (a new copy, not mine) and enjoyed very much. You may have read excerpts here, here, here, here, and here. It is Iain Murray's Revival & Revivalism: The Making and Marring of American Evangelicalism, 1750–1858. This is a good history of that era in America, and while more detail would have been nice at times, it could hardly be expected in only 480 pages covering over a century and the lives of dozens of significant men. At any rate, it is an excellent place to start and quite an engaging and easy read.

21 Comments:

1. 07·05·29··22:04
jen elslager

Fabulous graphic. That guy reminds me of Randy Stonehill. Too bad Osteen doesn't really look like that. :)

2. 07·05·30··10:32
David

Jen,
"That guy" is Martin Short as Ed Grimley of Saturday Night Live. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, that's actually a good thing.

3. 07·05·30··10:51
char

That picture is completely mental, I must say.

4. 07·05·30··11:16
David

That is Pee Wee Herman with hair.

5. 07·05·30··11:51
Brian @ voiceofthesheep

Where's my framed picture of Pat Sajak?

6. 07·05·30··14:25
Pontius Pilate

Personally, I disagree with Mr. Osteen on many issues, but I also feel that we have no right to malign and mock him.
Why do Christian circles feel the need to mock other Christians, however misguided they might be?
Paul tells us that if Christ is preached through controversy, he is still preached.

7. 07·05·30··14:44
donsands

"Paul tells us that if Christ is preached through controversy, he is still preached."

There are many christs being preached out their, and they are false christs.

The Word/Faith Jesus is a false Jesus.

"..as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit ..., or a different gospel..., you may well put up with it!" 2 Cor 11

A post like this may indeed make fun, but it does well to expose a false teacher.

BTW, I'm thinkin' that photo looks like Martin Short to me.

8. 07·05·30··16:34
Brian @ voiceofthesheep

IF Christ is preached...that's a big 'IF', and it's a condition not met at Osteen's church, so Paul's words concerning whether Christ is preached from false or good motives is moot in this case.

9. 07·05·30··18:15
Jonathan Moorhead

I think Pee Wee Herman's head would look better.

10. 07·05·31··09:22
christina archer

Hello: Those who say that God doesn't like satire should re-read the Book of Jonah. It is a book of scripture that is laugh out loud funny. Please put my name in for the book give-away. God bless.

11. 07·05·31··10:04
jen elslager

I know who Martin Short is, and now that you mention it, I see it. But I know nothing of the character he played on SNL.

Still think he looks a bit like Stonehill... same cheesy smile. :)

12. 07·05·31··10:36
Pontius Pilate

Given, many things concerning Osteen's ministry are not as they should be, but I ask: where do we - as Christians - find an allowance or warrant to mock others, in this sense, Christian or not?

To warn? Certainly.
To correct? Definitely.
To withstand? Obviously.

To injure with jest and insult? ? ?

13. 07·05·31··12:30
Pam

Truth hurts, does it not? The following quote I read a while back and it was posted on Old Truth yesterday. The words ring true ... he preaches a false doctrine ... discrimination is necessary and if it takes a picture to help point out that fact so be it, especially since today's culture is a visual culture then this is appropriate, consider the word picture's Christ used against the pharisee's, foxes and such ... this is using "good, imbued, critical faculty to get the point across." The enemy is active and error is rampant! If it was spoken instead of in picture form the so called offense would not have been picked up me thinks. This is understanding the truth. You should hustle on over to The Sacred Sandwich!

"A shepherd protects his sheep from their enemies. Wolves enter in among the sheep. The wolves which harass the church of God are emissaries of false doctrine and of evil practice. Satan is never out of his diocese and his specialty is to destroy the pure witness and the fellowship of the church of God. Perhaps there is no more ominous feature of members of the church than the lack of discernment; they can listen to what is good and true, and to what is bad and false, without discrimination. If we are to live in a world where the enemy is active and error is rampant, we must be imbued with a good measure of critical faculty, and here the elders in tending the flock must cultivate for themselves, and inculcate in the members of the church, that sensitivity to truth and right, so that they and the people will be able to detect the voice of the enemy. Jesus said of His sheep, "a stranger will they not follow,for they know not the voice of strangers" (John 10:5). But this discernment does not operate in a vacuum, and it does not act mechanically; it acts in the context of intelligent apprehension and understanding of the truth."

John Murray, Collected Writings

14. 07·05·31··14:51
donsands

"To injure with jest and insult? ? ?"

I get what you're saying. And sometimes I admit i have gone over the top, so to say.

But I don't see it here.

However, there is a fine line we need to walk. Most important is what our heart is saying, for God sees our hearts.

15. 07·05·31··14:57
Pontius Pilate

Pam:
True, truth often hurts (which partly why Christ told his disciples that there were things he would refrain from speaking, because they were not ready to bear them),
however, while what you said was true, esp. where Murray says, "A shepherd protects his sheep from their enemies. Wolves enter in among the sheep.", it STILL does not give us a right to degrade and make mocking jest of others in a slanderous way.

You are speaking of the theoretics of WARNING, and practicing MOCKERY.

Then you say, "The enemy is active and error is rampant!"
True, but when the enemy scales our walls crying "For Allah!" we do not respond with the same cry. We respond with "Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domini!"

Furthermore, you say, "If it was spoken instead of in picture form the so called offense would not have been picked up me thinks."
Firstly, I was not offended. Reading the "comments" section on this site, I agreed with the portion which says that while the site administrators will not easily get offended, neither must we.
Therefore, there was no "offense" taken.
Secondly, I am keen to pick up on Osteen-bashing, whether in picture or written form, and not only Osteen-bashing, but many other pseudo-religious icons as well.
This is because I too mocked and derided men such as him in my time. Until I heard this man speak (his name was Paul Washer), and I was converted. As he finished speaking, Christ regenerated my soul and made me his, and I repented of my hating and backbiting, my mocking and derisive nature.
Since that moment, no...I cannot say I have been perfect in this area. My temptation is to bash hyper-dispensationalists and hyper-fundamentalists, to smother the names of many in the oils of their own misdeeds.
But Christ has made me new. I am not allowed to let my passions rule me.
I will "live in peace with all mankind, as much as is possible within me."
Will I admit, honestly, that Joel Osteen teaches things which are contrary to God's word? Any honest Christian must.
Will I say that he needs prayer, in order for the light of Christ to shine in to his sin-sick heart? You bet.
Romans 13:8-10 says, Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

16. 07·05·31··15:18
White Badger

I care not for thy debaytes & long speeches.
Let thy foolish prattling lie.
But send thou me the bookes, & I will prayse the Lorde sowndly!

"Tu solus Sanctus. Tu solus Dominus."

17. 07·05·31··15:52
David

Just a word about satire, sarcasm, and this post:

I agree that we ought to be careful about mocking others, Christian or not. I also believe there is a proper place for measured satire and sarcasm, and that the line between what is proper and what is not is often crossed.

However, all I have done in this post is point out the similarity between Osteen's grinning mug and Ed Grimley, which I think is funny but you might not (I hope I would have enough sense of humor to take the same joke on me well), and imply that his book would not be a desirable prize, which every discerning Christian should recognize as a gross understatement.

18. 07·05·31··21:32
Vicki

Well, mockery for sheer cruelty's sake would not be right, BUT gosh, a little humor is something I can appreciate.

Throw my name in thy hat!

19. 07·06·01··07:35
Pontius Pilate

All right,
I apologize for the quick remark.
I had not - myself - intended to create turbulance.
My opinion has deterred the original aim of the post.
Forgive me.

20. 07·07·02··14:34
Jeremy Felden

Mocking...surely not! Consider the sanctified example of Elijah:

1 Kings 18
27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

21. 07·07·02··15:42
David

And then there's 2 Kings 2:23-24,

23 And [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

I think I'm safe poking a little fun at Osteen, though. A Prophet of God, he isn't.


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