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The Immutability of God (3)

Does God change his mind? How can we reconcile the passages of Scripture that seem to indicate that he does with his omnipotence and infallibility? Charnock writes:

img   Prop. III. Repentance and other affections ascribed to God in Scripture, argue no change in God. We often read of God’s repenting, repenting of the good he promised (Jer. xviii. 10), and of the evil he threatened (Exod. xxxii. 14; John iii. 10), or of the work he hath wrought (Gen. vi. 6). We must observe, therefore, that
   1. Repentance is not properly in God. He is a pure Spirit and is not capable of those passions which are signs of weakness and impotence, or subject to those regrets we are subject to. Where there is a proper repentance there is a want of foresight, an ignorance of what would succeed, or a defect in the examination of the occurrences which might fall within consideration. All repentance of a fact is grounded upon a mistake in the event which was not foreseen, or upon an after knowledge of the evil of the thing which was acted by the person repenting. But God is so wise that he cannot err, so holy he cannot do evil; and his certain prescience, or foreknowledge, secures him against any unexpected events. God doth not act but upon clear and infallible reason; and a change upon passion is accounted by all so great a weakness in man, that none can entertain so unworthy a conceit of God. Where he is said to repent (Gen. vi. 6), he is also said to grieve; now no proper grief can be imagined to be in God. As repentance is inconsistent with infallible foresight, so is grief no less inconsistent with undefiled blessedness. God is “blessed forever” (Rom. ix. 8), and therefore nothing can befall that can stain that blessedness. His blessedness would be impaired and interrupted while he is repenting, though he did soon rectify that which is the cause of his repentance. “God is of one mind, and who can turn him? what his soul desires that he doth” (Job xxiii. 13).
   2. But God accommodates himself in the Scripture to our weak capacity. God hath no more of a proper repentance, than he hath of a real body; though he, in accommodation to our weakness, ascribes to himself the members of our bodies to set out to our understandings the greatness of his perfections, we must not conclude him a body like us; so, because he is said to have anger and repentance, we must not conclude him to have passions like us. When we cannot fully comprehend him as he is, he clothes himself with our nature in his expressions that we may apprehend him as we are able, and by an inspection into ourselves, learn something of the nature of God; yet those human ways of speaking ought to be understood in a manner agreeable to the infinite excellency and majesty of God, and are only designed to mark out something in God which hath a resemblance with something in us; as we cannot speak to God as gods, but as men, so we cannot understand him speaking to us as a God, unless he condescend to speak to us like a man. . . .
   3. Therefore, repentance in God is only a change of his outward conduct, according to his infallible foresight and immutable will. . . . it is a change of events, not of counsels. Repentance in us is a grief for a former fact, and a changing of our course in it; grief is not in God, but his repentance is a willing a thing should not be as it was, which will was fixed from eternity; for God, foreseeing man would fall, and decreeing to permit it, he could not be said to repent in time of what he did not repent from eternity; and therefore, if there were no repentance in God from eternity, there could be none in time. But God is said to repent when he changes the disposition of affairs without himself; as men, when they repent, alter the course of their actions, so God alters things, extra se, or without himself, but changes nothing of his own purpose within himself. It rather notes the action he is about to do, than anything in his own nature, or any, change in his eternal purpose. . . .

—Stephen Charnock, The Existence and Attributes of God (Baker Books, 2005), 1:340–342

3 Comments:

1. 09·06·16··07:13
donsands

"..grief is not in God"

Surely not as human grief, just as His love is not as our love. Yet I would think just as our love reflects His love, so our sorrow can reflect God's sorrow.

As far as God changing His mind, it seems to me He does, and yet from all eternity He knows that this will happen, such as mankind becoming so wicked that it grieved God that He ever made man.

Great mystery here. Yet Open Theism is taking the teaching of the Immutability of God outside of orthodoxy.

I believe God does sorrow, as the Scripture teaches us not to grieve the Holy Spirit, and of course Jesus wept. Jesus was a Man, but He also declared He is the Bridegroom (Isa. 62:5; Mk 2:19), and so He was Yahweh on earth, who also wept.

Thanks for the post.

2. 09·06·16··11:59
Daniel

Can a man change his mind in the past? That is, can a man go back to yesterday and undo some choice he made? No, because no longer have access to the events and choices of the past. The reason we cannot change our minds in the past is because our consciousness (and with it our ability to affect change) is limited in time and space to the present moment in the current location.

But God's consciousness beholds the whole of creation in the same glace - past, present, and future, and is not limited to one specific locale, but transcends all that exists.

Given that these truths are self evident, we conclude that unlike ourselves, God would be more than able, from His vantage at least, to affect change at any place in any time (past, present, or future). If God did so however, it we would not be aware of it, since we experience the reality of God's "choices" (as it were), only after they come to pass (from our perspective).

Given that these things are so, we understand that when scripture speaks of God changing His mind or repenting of some action, it means that the course God has "chosen" to walk is in harmony with the direction God allowed man to walk. Thus, when God makes us aware that a thing would have been different had He personally intervened to make it different, He is not describing a mutability in Himself, but using language we (as temporal beings) can understand: "You cooked your own goose."

Likewise with grieving the Holy Spirit etc. I don't think it is that we do something and God is surprised - rather it is that we do something and are told up front that it will grieve the Holy Spirit - which is why we are told not to do it.

Anyway, I don't really think about it much, but that's sorta the default conclusion I come up with when I don't think about it.

3. 09·06·16··12:22
donsands

"I don't think it is that we do something and God is surprised" -Daniel

I agree wholeheartedly.

I believe the Lord knew Adam had disobeyed Him, and knew where Adam was hidden. Yet, I believe it grieved God when He had to curse Adam, and thereby all mankind.
And yet, in God's eternal wisdom and counsel, and love, He had already intended to glorify His grace in mankind, and show His great love in His mercy through the Lamb of God slain before the foundations of the world.

When the human mind tries to reconcile all this, then I think we have heresies like Open Theism, or God predetermined to put men and women in hell for His glory.

There certainly are paradoxes in Scripture we simply need to humbly accept.

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